its very individual, i love its effects but i too avoid it due to issues with mood swings/insomnia/etc. Jsut not worth it. My guess is those of us who have suffered some form of “mental illness” be it depression/bi polar/etc should steer far clear of it. Seems to be a repeating pattern in people like us. [/quote]
It’s very individual indeed. Might be dose related and/or what you combine it with too. I have a much lighter sleep, BUT I need 2 hours less of sleep per day and wake up ready to go. I guess I’m lucky as to be honest, if I’m not on Tren, I feel like I’m off - yet I’m still on Tren only 20-25% of the time as I respect its powers. I suspect for joints, and maybe the heart, it’s not that great. For fat loss, can’t be beat for the “non fat burner” type PED/supplements.